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* cp2101: coding styleAlan Cox2008-07-221-1/+0
| | | | | | | | Bring up to coding style Signed-off-by: Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
* whiteheat: fix bugs found in the tidy and auditAlan Cox2008-07-221-8/+4
| | | | | | | | Termios tidy up, plus fix break and DTR. Signed-off-by: Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
* whiteheat: coding styleAlan Cox2008-07-221-169/+217
| | | | | | | | Bring ezusb and whiteheat into line with the coding style Signed-off-by: Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
* usb_serial: API all changeAlan Cox2008-07-221-44/+58
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | USB serial likes to use port->tty back pointers for the real work it does and to do so without any actual locking. Unfortunately when you consider hangup events, hangup/parallel reopen or even worse hangup followed by parallel close events the tty->port and port->tty pointers are not guaranteed to be the same as port->tty is the active tty while tty->port is the port the tty may or may not still be attached to. So rework the entire API to pass the tty struct. For console cases we need to pass both for now. This shows up multiple drivers that immediately crash with USB console some of which have been fixed in the process. Longer term we need a proper tty as console abstraction Signed-off-by: Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
* whiteheat: use request_firmware()David Woodhouse2008-07-101-27/+50
| | | | Signed-off-by: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
* tty: The big operations reworkAlan Cox2008-04-301-3/+1
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | - Operations are now a shared const function block as with most other Linux objects - Introduce wrappers for some optional functions to get consistent behaviour - Wrap put_char which used to be patched by the tty layer - Document which functions are needed/optional - Make put_char report success/fail - Cache the driver->ops pointer in the tty as tty->ops - Remove various surplus lock calls we no longer need - Remove proc_write method as noted by Alexey Dobriyan - Introduce some missing sanity checks where certain driver/ldisc combinations would oops as they didn't check needed methods were present [akpm@linux-foundation.org: fix fs/compat_ioctl.c build] [akpm@linux-foundation.org: fix isicom] [akpm@linux-foundation.org: fix arch/ia64/hp/sim/simserial.c build] [akpm@linux-foundation.org: fix kgdb] Signed-off-by: Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com> Acked-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> Cc: Jason Wessel <jason.wessel@windriver.com> Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
* USB: remove unnecessary type casting of urb->contextMing Lei2008-04-241-3/+3
| | | | | | | | urb->context code cleanup Signed-off-by: Ming Lei <tom.leiming@gmail.com> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* usb serial: more fixes and groundwork for tty changesAlan Cox2008-04-241-1/+1
| | | | | | | | | | | | | - If a termios change fails due to lack of memory we should copy the old settings back over as the device has not changed - Note various locking problems - kl5kusb105 had various remaining tty flag handling problems - Make safe_serial use tty_insert_flip_string not open coded loops - set termios speed properly in usb_serial Signed-off-by: Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* USB: replace remaining __FUNCTION__ occurrencesHarvey Harrison2008-04-241-52/+52
| | | | | | | | __FUNCTION__ is gcc-specific, use __func__ Signed-off-by: Harvey Harrison <harvey.harrison@gmail.com> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* USB: serial: remove unneeded number endpoints settingsGreg Kroah-Hartman2008-04-241-6/+0
| | | | | | | | | The usb-serial core no longer checks these fields so remove them from all of the individual drivers. They will be removed from the usb-serial core in a patch later in the series. Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* USB: make sure usb serial drivers don't flush to logically disconnected devicesOliver Neukum2008-02-011-2/+5
| | | | | | | | | | | If disconnect() is called for a logical disconnect, no more IO must be done after disconnect() returns, or the old and new drivers may conflict. This patch avoids this by using the flag and lock introduced by the earlier patch for the mos7720 driver. Signed-off-by: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.de> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* USB: fix NULL pointer dereference on drivers/usb/serial/whiteheat.cOliver Neukum2008-02-011-2/+1
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Am Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2007 05:23:47 schrieb Andrew Morton: > On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:08:52 -0800 (PST) bugme-daemon@bugzilla.kernel.org wrote: > > > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9573 > > There's a null pointer dereference on drivers/usb/serial/whiteheat.c as > > follows: > > > > (1) line 613: the test "if (port->tty)" implies that null is a legal value > > for "port->tty" at that point > > > > (2) neither firm_open nor firm_purge initialize "port->tty" drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial::serial_open() sets port->tty The check for NULL is bogus. This patch removes the check. Signed-off-by: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.de> Acked-by: Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* USB: whiteheat: clean up can't happen checks and encode baud rateAlan Cox2007-10-251-9/+2
| | | | | | | Signed-off-by: Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com> Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* USB: visor and whiteheat: remove bogus termios change checksAlan Cox2007-07-121-9/+0
| | | | | | | Signed-off-by: Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com> Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* USB: serial: whiteheat: clean up urb->status usageGreg Kroah-Hartman2007-07-121-9/+16
| | | | | | | | | | This done in anticipation of removal of urb->status, which will make that patch easier to review and apply in the future. Cc: <linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* USB: whiteheat driver updateOliver Neukum2007-07-121-40/+52
| | | | | | | | | | | | this is an update of the whiteheat driver. It fixes: - switch from spinlocks to mutexes to prevent sleeping with a spinlock held - locking to stop races with disconnect - error handling for commands that time out Signed-off-by: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.de> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* USB: whiteheat: Convert to generic booleanRichard Knutsson2007-04-271-4/+4
| | | | | | | | Signed-off-by: Richard Knutsson <ricknu-0@student.ltu.se> Acked-by: Stuart MacDonald <stuartm@connecttech.com> Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* USB serial: add driver pointer to all usb-serial driversJohannes Hölzl2007-02-071-0/+2
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Every usb serial driver should have a pointer to the corresponding usb driver. So the usb serial core can add a new id not only to the usb serial driver, but also to the usb driver. Also the usb drivers of ark3116, mos7720 and mos7840 missed the flag no_dynamic_id=1. This is added now. Signed-off-by: Johannes Hölzl <johannes.hoelzl@gmx.de> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* [PATCH] getting rid of all casts of k[cmz]alloc() callsRobert P. J. Day2006-12-131-2/+2
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Run this: #!/bin/sh for f in $(grep -Erl "\([^\)]*\) *k[cmz]alloc" *) ; do echo "De-casting $f..." perl -pi -e "s/ ?= ?\([^\)]*\) *(k[cmz]alloc) *\(/ = \1\(/" $f done And then go through and reinstate those cases where code is casting pointers to non-pointers. And then drop a few hunks which conflicted with outstanding work. Cc: Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>, Ian Molton <spyro@f2s.com> Cc: Mikael Starvik <starvik@axis.com> Cc: Yoshinori Sato <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp> Cc: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org> Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> Cc: Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org> Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org> Cc: Kyle McMartin <kyle@mcmartin.ca> Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> Cc: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com> Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net> Cc: Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com> Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com> Cc: Paul Fulghum <paulkf@microgate.com> Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> Cc: Karsten Keil <kkeil@suse.de> Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@infradead.org> Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org> Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com> Cc: Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net> Cc: Steven French <sfrench@us.ibm.com> Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> Cc: Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au> Cc: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz> Cc: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
* [PATCH] tty: switch to ktermiosAlan Cox2006-12-081-3/+3
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | This is the grungy swap all the occurrences in the right places patch that goes with the updates. At this point we have the same functionality as before (except that sgttyb() returns speeds not zero) and are ready to begin turning new stuff on providing nobody reports lots of bugs If you are a tty driver author converting an out of tree driver the only impact should be termios->ktermios name changes for the speed/property setting functions from your upper layers. If you are implementing your own TCGETS function before then your driver was broken already and its about to get a whole lot more painful for you so please fix it 8) Also fill in c_ispeed/ospeed on init for most devices, although the current code will do this for you anyway but I'd like eventually to lose that extra paranoia [akpm@osdl.org: bluetooth fix] [mp3@de.ibm.com: sclp fix] [mp3@de.ibm.com: warning fix for tty3270] [hugh@veritas.com: fix tty_ioctl powerpc build] [jdike@addtoit.com: uml: fix ->set_termios declaration] Signed-off-by: Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com> Signed-off-by: Martin Peschke <mp3@de.ibm.com> Acked-by: Peter Oberparleiter <oberpar@de.ibm.com> Cc: Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com> Signed-off-by: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com> Signed-off-by: Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com> Cc: Paolo 'Blaisorblade' Giarrusso <blaisorblade@yahoo.it> Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
* WorkStruct: make allyesconfigDavid Howells2006-11-221-6/+9
| | | | | | Fix up for make allyesconfig. Signed-Off-By: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
* IRQ: Maintain regs pointer globally rather than passing to IRQ handlersDavid Howells2006-10-051-8/+8
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Maintain a per-CPU global "struct pt_regs *" variable which can be used instead of passing regs around manually through all ~1800 interrupt handlers in the Linux kernel. The regs pointer is used in few places, but it potentially costs both stack space and code to pass it around. On the FRV arch, removing the regs parameter from all the genirq function results in a 20% speed up of the IRQ exit path (ie: from leaving timer_interrupt() to leaving do_IRQ()). Where appropriate, an arch may override the generic storage facility and do something different with the variable. On FRV, for instance, the address is maintained in GR28 at all times inside the kernel as part of general exception handling. Having looked over the code, it appears that the parameter may be handed down through up to twenty or so layers of functions. Consider a USB character device attached to a USB hub, attached to a USB controller that posts its interrupts through a cascaded auxiliary interrupt controller. A character device driver may want to pass regs to the sysrq handler through the input layer which adds another few layers of parameter passing. I've build this code with allyesconfig for x86_64 and i386. I've runtested the main part of the code on FRV and i386, though I can't test most of the drivers. I've also done partial conversion for powerpc and MIPS - these at least compile with minimal configurations. This will affect all archs. Mostly the changes should be relatively easy. Take do_IRQ(), store the regs pointer at the beginning, saving the old one: struct pt_regs *old_regs = set_irq_regs(regs); And put the old one back at the end: set_irq_regs(old_regs); Don't pass regs through to generic_handle_irq() or __do_IRQ(). In timer_interrupt(), this sort of change will be necessary: - update_process_times(user_mode(regs)); - profile_tick(CPU_PROFILING, regs); + update_process_times(user_mode(get_irq_regs())); + profile_tick(CPU_PROFILING); I'd like to move update_process_times()'s use of get_irq_regs() into itself, except that i386, alone of the archs, uses something other than user_mode(). Some notes on the interrupt handling in the drivers: (*) input_dev() is now gone entirely. The regs pointer is no longer stored in the input_dev struct. (*) finish_unlinks() in drivers/usb/host/ohci-q.c needs checking. It does something different depending on whether it's been supplied with a regs pointer or not. (*) Various IRQ handler function pointers have been moved to type irq_handler_t. Signed-Off-By: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> (cherry picked from 1b16e7ac850969f38b375e511e3fa2f474a33867 commit)
* [PATCH] USB: move usb-serial.h to include/linux/usb/Greg Kroah-Hartman2006-07-121-1/+1
| | | | | | | | | | USB serial outside of the kernel tree can not build properly due to usb-serial.h being buried down in the source tree. This patch moves the location of the file to include/linux/usb and fixes up all of the usb serial drivers to handle the move properly. Cc: Sergei Organov <osv@javad.com> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* Remove obsolete #include <linux/config.h>Jörn Engel2006-06-301-1/+0
| | | | | Signed-off-by: Jörn Engel <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
* [PATCH] drivers: use list_move()Akinobu Mita2006-06-261-12/+7
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | This patch converts the combination of list_del(A) and list_add(A, B) to list_move(A, B) under drivers/. Acked-by: Corey Minyard <minyard@mvista.com> Cc: Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org> Acked-by: Roland Dreier <rolandd@cisco.com> Cc: Alasdair Kergon <dm-devel@redhat.com> Cc: Gerd Knorr <kraxel@bytesex.org> Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org> Cc: Frank Pavlic <fpavlic@de.ibm.com> Acked-by: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx> Cc: Andrew Vasquez <linux-driver@qlogic.com> Cc: Mikael Starvik <starvik@axis.com> Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <greg@kroah.com> Signed-off-by: Akinobu Mita <mita@miraclelinux.com> Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
* [PATCH] USB: Whiteheat: fix firmware spurious errorsStuart MacDonald2006-06-211-2/+2
| | | | | | | Attached patch fixes spurious errors during firmware load. Signed-off-by: Stuart MacDonald <stuartm@connecttech.com> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* [PATCH] USB serial: encapsulate schedule_work, remove double-callingPete Zaitcev2006-06-211-3/+1
| | | | | | | | | | | I'm going to throw schedule_work away, it's retarded. But for starters, let's have it encapsulated. Also, generic and whiteheat were both calling usb_serial_port_softint and scheduled work. Only one was necessary. Signed-off-by: Pete Zaitcev <zaitcev@redhat.com> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* [PATCH] USB: Resource leak fix for whiteheat driverJesper Juhl2006-04-271-0/+1
| | | | | | | | | | We may return from drivers/usb/serial/whiteheat.c::whiteheat_attach() without freeing `result' if we leave via the no_firmware: label. Spotted by the coverity checker as #670 Signed-off-by: Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* [PATCH] TTY layer buffering revampAlan Cox2006-01-101-6/+5
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | The API and code have been through various bits of initial review by serial driver people but they definitely need to live somewhere for a while so the unconverted drivers can get knocked into shape, existing drivers that have been updated can be better tuned and bugs whacked out. This replaces the tty flip buffers with kmalloc objects in rings. In the normal situation for an IRQ driven serial port at typical speeds the behaviour is pretty much the same, two buffers end up allocated and the kernel cycles between them as before. When there are delays or at high speed we now behave far better as the buffer pool can grow a bit rather than lose characters. This also means that we can operate at higher speeds reliably. For drivers that receive characters in blocks (DMA based, USB and especially virtualisation) the layer allows a lot of driver specific code that works around the tty layer with private secondary queues to be removed. The IBM folks need this sort of layer, the smart serial port people do, the virtualisers do (because a virtualised tty typically operates at infinite speed rather than emulating 9600 baud). Finally many drivers had invalid and unsafe attempts to avoid buffer overflows by directly invoking tty methods extracted out of the innards of work queue structs. These are no longer needed and all go away. That fixes various random hangs with serial ports on overflow. The other change in here is to optimise the receive_room path that is used by some callers. It turns out that only one ldisc uses receive room except asa constant and it updates it far far less than the value is read. We thus make it a variable not a function call. I expect the code to contain bugs due to the size alone but I'll be watching and squashing them and feeding out new patches as it goes. Because the buffers now dynamically expand you should only run out of buffering when the kernel runs out of memory for real. That means a lot of the horrible hacks high performance drivers used to do just aren't needed any more. Description: tty_insert_flip_char is an old API and continues to work as before, as does tty_flip_buffer_push() [this is why many drivers dont need modification]. It does now also return the number of chars inserted There are also tty_buffer_request_room(tty, len) which asks for a buffer block of the length requested and returns the space found. This improves efficiency with hardware that knows how much to transfer. and tty_insert_flip_string_flags(tty, str, flags, len) to insert a string of characters and flags For a smart interface the usual code is len = tty_request_buffer_room(tty, amount_hardware_says); tty_insert_flip_string(tty, buffer_from_card, len); More description! At the moment tty buffers are attached directly to the tty. This is causing a lot of the problems related to tty layer locking, also problems at high speed and also with bursty data (such as occurs in virtualised environments) I'm working on ripping out the flip buffers and replacing them with a pool of dynamically allocated buffers. This allows both for old style "byte I/O" devices and also helps virtualisation and smart devices where large blocks of data suddenely materialise and need storing. So far so good. Lots of drivers reference tty->flip.*. Several of them also call directly and unsafely into function pointers it provides. This will all break. Most drivers can use tty_insert_flip_char which can be kept as an API but others need more. At the moment I've added the following interfaces, if people think more will be needed now is a good time to say int tty_buffer_request_room(tty, size) Try and ensure at least size bytes are available, returns actual room (may be zero). At the moment it just uses the flipbuf space but that will change. Repeated calls without characters being added are not cumulative. (ie if you call it with 1, 1, 1, and then 4 you'll have four characters of space. The other functions will also try and grow buffers in future but this will be a more efficient way when you know block sizes. int tty_insert_flip_char(tty, ch, flag) As before insert a character if there is room. Now returns 1 for success, 0 for failure. int tty_insert_flip_string(tty, str, len) Insert a block of non error characters. Returns the number inserted. int tty_prepare_flip_string(tty, strptr, len) Adjust the buffer to allow len characters to be added. Returns a buffer pointer in strptr and the length available. This allows for hardware that needs to use functions like insl or mencpy_fromio. Signed-off-by: Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com> Cc: Paul Fulghum <paulkf@microgate.com> Signed-off-by: Hirokazu Takata <takata@linux-m32r.org> Signed-off-by: Serge Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com> Signed-off-by: Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com> Signed-off-by: John Hawkes <hawkes@sgi.com> Signed-off-by: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com> Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de> Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
* [PATCH] USB: remove .owner field from struct usb_driverGreg Kroah-Hartman2006-01-041-1/+0
| | | | | | It is no longer needed, so let's remove it, saving a bit of memory. Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* [PATCH] USB: allow usb drivers to disable dynamic idsGreg Kroah-Hartman2006-01-041-0/+1
| | | | | | | | | | | This lets drivers, like the usb-serial ones, disable the ability to add ids from sysfs. The usb-serial drivers are "odd" in that they are really usb-serial bus drivers, not usb bus drivers, so the dynamic id logic will have to go into the usb-serial bus core for those drivers to get that ability. Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* [PATCH] USB Serial: move name to driver structureGreg Kroah-Hartman2005-10-281-15/+15
| | | | | | | | This fixes up a lot of problems in sysfs with some of the usb serial drivers, they had incorrect driver names. Also saves a tiny ammount of memory. Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* [PATCH] USB Serial: get rid of the .owner field in usb_serial_driverGreg Kroah-Hartman2005-10-281-2/+6
| | | | | | Don't duplicate something that's already in struct driver. Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* [PATCH] USB Serial: rename usb_serial_device_type to usb_serial_driverGreg Kroah-Hartman2005-10-281-2/+2
| | | | | | | I'm tired of trying to explain why a "device_type" is really a driver. This better describes exactly what this structure is. Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
* Linux-2.6.12-rc2v2.6.12-rc2Linus Torvalds2005-04-161-0/+1512
Initial git repository build. I'm not bothering with the full history, even though we have it. We can create a separate "historical" git archive of that later if we want to, and in the meantime it's about 3.2GB when imported into git - space that would just make the early git days unnecessarily complicated, when we don't have a lot of good infrastructure for it. Let it rip!
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