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+ [Home] FAQ
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+ Home | RecentChanges | Preferences
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ This is for people who do not read the manual!
+
+ So far people who don't read manuals don't read this either... I may
+ call it README.*PLEASE* in the future, but then the same people won't
+ be able to get ftp it... :-)
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 1. Where can I find tcsh sources?
+
+ See http://www.tcsh.org/MostRecentRelease for download locations.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 2. Why is the meta key broken in tcsh-5.20 and up?
+
+ On some machines the tty is not set up to pass 8 bit characters by
+ default. Tcsh 5.19 used to try to determine if pass8 should be set by
+ looking at the terminal's meta key. Unfortunately there is no good way
+ of determining if the terminal can really pass 8 characters or not.
+ Consider if you are logged in through a modem line with 7 bits and
+ parity and your terminal has a meta key. Then tcsh 5.19 would set
+ wrongly set pass8.
+
+ If you did like the previous behavior you can add in /etc/csh.login,
+ or in .login:
+
+ if ( $?tcsh && $?prompt ) then
+ if ( "`echotc meta`" == "yes" ) then
+ stty pass8
+ endif
+ endif
+
+ If you don't have pass8, maybe one of these would work..
+
+ stty -parity -evenp -oddp cs8 -istrip (rs6000)
+ stty -parenb -istrip cs8
+
+ Finally, tcsh will bind all printable meta characters to the self
+ insert command. If you don't want that to happen (i.e. use the
+ printable meta characters for commands) setenv NOREBIND.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 3. I ran 'dbxtool &' and 'shelltool &' from tcsh, and they end up in
+ cbreak and no echo mode?
+
+ These programs are broken. Background jobs should not try to look at
+ the tty. What happens is that dbxtool looks in stderr to inherit the
+ tty setups, but tcsh sets up the tty in cbreak and -echo modes, so
+ that it can do line editing. This cannot be fixed because tcsh cannot
+ give away the tty. Pick one of the following as a workaround:
+
+ dbxtool < /dev/null >& /dev/null &
+ /usr/etc/setsid dbxtool &
+
+ If that does not work, for dbxtool at least you can add "sh stty sane"
+ in your .dbxinit
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 4. I tried to compile tcsh and it cannot find <locale.h>?
+
+ Your system does not support NLS. Undefine NLS in config_f.h and it
+ should work fine.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 5. Where can I get csh sources?
+
+ Csh sources are now available with the 4.4BSD networking
+ distributions. You don't need csh sources to compile tcsh-6.0x.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 6. I just made tcsh my login shell, and I cannot ftp any more?
+
+ Newer versions of the ftp daemon check for the validity of the user's
+ shell before they allow logins. The list of valid login shells is
+ either hardcoded or it is usually in a file called /etc/shells. If it
+ is hard-coded, then you are out of luck and your best bet is to get a
+ newer version of ftpd. Otherwise add tcsh to the list of shells. [For
+ AIX this file is called /etc/security/login.cfg.] Remember that the
+ full path is required. If there is no /etc/shells, and you are
+ creating one, remember to add /bin/csh, /bin/sh, and any other valid
+ shells for your system, so that other people can ftp too :-)
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 7. I am using SunView or OpenWindows and editing is screwed up. In
+ particular my arrow keys and backspace don't work right. What am I
+ doing wrong?
+
+ Well, cmdtool tries to do its own command line editing and the effect
+ you get is one of using an editor inside an editor. Both try to
+ interpret the arrow key sequences and cmdtool wins since it gets them
+ first. The solutions are in my order of preference:
+
+ 1. Don't use suntools
+ 2. Use shelltool instead of cmdtool.
+ 3. Unset edit in tcsh.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 8. On a SPARCstation running Solaris 2.x and OpenWindows 3.1, inside a
+ cmdtool, the short-cut key sequence to clear log (i.e. Meta-e or
+ Diamond-e) doesn't work: it just echos 'e'; or
+
+ Unset edit in tcsh.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 9. On a SPARCstation running Solaris 2.x and OpenWindows 3.1, maketool
+ (within SPARCworks) doesn't work: it just does a `cd' to the working
+ directory then stops.
+
+ Unset edit in tcsh. Using shelltool instead of cmdtool does not fix
+ this.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 10. I rlogin to another machine, and then no matter what I tell 'stty'
+ I cannot get it to pass 8 bit characters?
+
+ Maybe you need to use 'rlogin -8' to tell rlogin to pass 8 bit
+ characters.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 11. Where do I get the public domain directory library?
+
+ Anonymous ftp to prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu/dirent.tar.Z
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 12. I compiled tcsh using gcc, and when I start up it says: tcsh:
+ Warning no access to tty (Invalid Argument). Thus no job control in
+ this shell
+
+ Your <sys/ioctl.h> file is not ansi compliant. You have one of 3
+ choices:
+
+ 1. Run fixincludes from the gcc distribution.
+ 2. Add -traditional to the gcc flags.
+ 3. Compile with cc.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 13. I compiled tcsh with the SunOS unbundled compiler and now things
+ get echo'ed twice.
+
+ It is a bug in the unbundled optimizer. Lower the optimization level.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 14. How can I use the arrow keys with hpterm?
+
+ Hp terminals use the arrow keys internally. You can tell hpterm not to
+ do that, by sending it the termcap sequence smkx. Since this has to be
+ done all the time, the easiest thing is to put it as an alias for
+ precmd, or inside the prompt:
+
+ if ($term == "hp") then
+ set prompt="%{`echotc smkx`%}$prompt"
+ endif
+
+ Note that by doing that you cannot use pgup and pgdn to scroll... Also
+ if you are using termcap, replace "smkx" with "ks"...
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 15. On POSIX machines ^C and ^Z will do not work when tcsh is a login
+ shell?
+
+ Make sure that the interrupt character is set to ^C and suspend is set
+ to ^Z; 'stty -a' will show you the current stty settings; 'stty intr
+ ^C susp ^Z' will set them to ^C and ^Z respectively.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 16. I am trying to compile tcsh and I am getting compile errors that
+ look like:
+
+ >sh.c:???: `STR???' undeclared, outside of functions [gcc]
+ >"sh.c", line ???: STR??? undefined [cc]
+
+ You interrupted make, while it was making the automatically generated
+ headers. Type 'make clean; make'
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 17. On the cray, sometimes the CR/LF mapping gets screwed up.
+
+ You are probably logged in to the cray via telnet. Cray's telnetd
+ implements line mode selection the telnet client you are using does
+ not implement telnet line mode. This cause the Cray's telnetd to try
+ to use KLUDGELINEMODE. You can turn off telnet line mode from the cray
+ side by doing a "stty -extproc", or you can get the Cray AIC to build
+ a telnetd without KLUDGELINEMODE, or you can compile a new telnet
+ client (from the BSD net2 tape), or at least on the suns use: 'mode
+ character'.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 18. On AU/X, I made tcsh my startup shell, but the mac desktop is not
+ starting up (no X11 or Finder), and I only get console emulation.
+
+ This is another manifestation of item 5. Just add the pathname to tcsh
+ in /etc/shells and everything should work fine.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 19. On machines that use YP (NIS) tilde expansion might end up in
+ /dev/null
+
+ If this happens complain to your vendor, to get a new version of NIS.
+ You can fix that in tcsh by defining YPBUGS in config.h
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 20. Script on SGI 4.0.5 does not give us a tty, so we cannot have job
+ control.
+
+ Their csh does not have job control either. Try:
+
+ % script
+ % cat > /dev/tty
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 21. I start tcsh and it takes a couple of minutes to get the prompt.
+
+ You have defined REMOTEHOST and your DNS is not responding. Either
+ undefine REMOTEHOST and recompile or fix your DNS.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 22. If you need help generating your .cshrc file, check out:
+
+ http://www.imada.sdu.dk/~blackie/dotfile/
+
+ or
+ http://www.dotfiles.com
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 23. On POSIX systems the kernel will send hup signals to all the
+ processes in the foreground process group if 'stty hupcl' is set.
+
+ For example
+
+ ./tcsh
+ echo $$
+ 591
+ ./tcsh
+ kill -6 591
+
+ Will kill everything, since hup will be sent to all tcsh processes. To
+ avoid that you can set stty -hupcl, but it is not recommended.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 24. When I rsh the meta key stops working on the remote machine.
+
+ Try using rsh -8; this option is undocumented on some systems, but it
+ works. If that does not work, get and use ssh/sshd. You'll be better
+ off from a security point of view anyway.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 25. Tcsh compiled under hp/ux-10.x does not pass resource limits
+ correctly when ran on hp/ux-11.x systems.
+
+ This is a problem with lack of ABI compatibility between the two
+ systems. The only solution is to recompile.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 26. Refreshing in command line editing can appear broken on some OS's
+
+ This is because the termcap/terminfo description lies about the
+ ability of the terminal to use tabs. At least on Compaq/DEC Alpha
+ OSF/1 3.x and 4.x systems, stty -tabs will cause problems.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 27. Where can I learn the merits of tcsh vs. bash vs. csh vs. sh etc?
+
+ You can read the manual page section titled [NEW FEATURES] listing
+ features that tcsh adds to csh.
+
+ You can read Tom Christiansen's [Csh Programming Considered Harmful],
+ a document advocating that csh (and by extension, tcsh) should not be
+ used for writing shell scripts.
+
+ XXX: Need to find something about [bash], but bash is sh-compatible
+ and has many of the same interactive features of tcsh (command
+ completion does not appear to be as flexible, though).
+
+ [Curtains up: introducing the Z shell] has a pretty good rundown on
+ zsh. Aside from the arguments about csh being evil, tcsh appears to
+ compare well with zsh [zsh]. Zsh is sh and ksh compatible, with many
+ of the interactive features of tcsh.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ 28. Why does FreeBSD's tcsh do history browsing differently than I
+ expect?
+
+ On FreeBSD, by default, the up arrow is set to
+ "history-search-backward", rather than the default "up-history". As a
+ result, if you type (part of) a word and press up arrow, you'll see
+ previous commands that match the prefix. Pretty useful, actually,
+ although it takes some getting used to. You can use bindkey to see
+ your settings, and to rebind up & down differently if desired.
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
+ Everything else is a bug :-(
+
+ Christos
+ _________________________________________________________________
+
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